In today's episode we are joined by a true friend of WealthBuilders, George Choy. Make sure to tune in to hear how George went from a depressing job to financial independence, and how he created his wealth through assets.
Would you like to become one of the 5% who reaches financial independence? Our guest on this week’s episode on WealthTalk is George Choy - a true friend of WealthBuilders. George shares his experience of going from a very low point of his life, working in a depressive corporate job to reaching the ultimate goal of financial independence. Tune in to this episode for great tips and advice on wealth creation through assets.
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Unknown Speaker 0:01 The purpose of wealth talk is to educate, inform and hopefully entertain you on the subject of building your wealth. Wealth builders recommends you should always take independent financial tax or legal advice before making any decisions around your finances.
Christian Rodwell 0:19
Welcome to Episode 94 of wealth talk. My name is Christian Rodwell, the membership director for wealth builders and I'm joined today by our founder Mr. Kevin Whalen. Hi, Kevin. Hello, Chris.
Unknown Speaker 0:28
Good to be with you again. On another episode, we'll talk
Christian Rodwell 0:32
Yes, chilly morning that we're recording this. But Philippines as always, when we get together. And today, we have invited George Troy to be our guest. And George is someone who's a friend of wealth builders. And Kevin, I believe you also made a contribution to one of his books, didn't you?
Unknown Speaker 0:50
I did, I did. So you know, George was you I'm sure you'll mention his written a couple of books. He's got an interesting background, listen out for that. Like many wealth builders, you know, listen out for the catalyst. listen out for what he says and try and see if you can hear the wealth lessons built in there. But yes, a true friend to wealth builders and always keen to tell other people about the holistic nature of what we do. He focuses very specifically at least in terms of his teachings, probably more on property than anything else, which we know is a very popular asset. So listen to that. But he does dive into some of the other aspects of the wealth builder journey. You know, look out for your debits look out for leverage, look out for many things. So just see what you see you fellow wealth builders, listen to the stories and see if you can discern the lessons.
Christian Rodwell 1:49
Yeah, and it's, you know, always nice to hear someone reaching such a milestone as financial independence, Kevin, because, as we often say, it's, you know, privilege of the 5% of people in the UK, and, you know, such a such a sad statistic that Kevin, but listening to people such as George sharing very honestly and openly, hopefully can help a few more people reach that elusive 5%.
Unknown Speaker 2:16
Well, that's the mission for wealth builders, isn't it to to try and impact I mean, okay, you know, we're not going to impact millions and millions and millions, because we know it takes commitment to create wealth, that doesn't happen automatically. And, you know, luckily, George changes tack, because like many people who are really great at earning a living and George came from a very high income job, there's a natural tendency for those in high income jobs, or even good businesses, you know, where the lifestyle is being fueled by the business at a high income level is so, so difficult. Chris, when people get locked into that, as their income expands, their expenses, expand, their debts expand, and the chains kind of get stronger and stronger, binding them to that illusion of security. And this is the big challenge. And I mean, look, we heard from either Bennett, one of our members who came from a high income job and is making something in a very different different about that, trying to completely eliminate that. And we're really touching the hearts and minds of many of the City of London people now. We see that as a group of people. And like George, you know, high income guy, and difficult and had to wrestle very hard for himself. And, you know, sometimes in order to be wealthy, you've got to stop, take stock, and find a bit of the pain to to act as a catalyst to move you forward. And, you know, it's all interesting stuff. And I'm sure everybody will enjoy George's contribution today.
Christian Rodwell 3:50
Yeah, so let's head on over and listen to our conversation with George Troy. George very warm welcome to wealth talk today.
Unknown Speaker 3:57
Thanks for having me.
Christian Rodwell 3:58
You're very welcome. And we're going to be hearing your journey to financial independence. It's not just your journey as it is you and your wife You know, quite a milestone because I know your wife, Sarah was not even age 40 by the time you hit that financial independence, so. So yeah, great, great story. So before we really dive into the how, and tell our listeners a little bit about who you are and what you do,
Unknown Speaker 4:25
okay, yeah, so I'm a property investor and author of two books, retire now and stuffing in air. We, you know, we, we just were mainly accumulators. We like to I'm the accumulator, I like to accumulate property. And, you know, we, after we became financially free, we we spent some time just doing whatever we wanted, very, you know, very focused on self gratification, and coming out the end of that, after about six months, we suddenly felt unfulfilled. And it's a weird thing. When you, you know, if you're chasing, chasing this goal of financial freedom I'm sure most of your listeners are. When you get there, you think Well, what do I do now? You you almost feel like, You're like a ship in the sea with no compass, and you really have no clue what to do. And it took us a while it was a bit of trial and error really to work it out. And it seemed that the and it was only once once we did some Tony Robbins training, that we will realize what was missing? So, you know, one of the things he says is that there are, you know, two there are two key things, or three key things. One is love and connection you should focus on we already have that because we're Sara and I have been together for about 25 years. So do everything together. And and we've got two young children as well. So we're working on that. But then when it came to growth, that's that's the next thing growth. Are you developing, as you know, as personal growth in your business life? in your personal life? You know, are you it's not just about learning, but doing something? Are you? Are you taking action and expanding your boundaries? And we weren't doing that at all? Because we were just enjoying life? And that was it? And the third thing is contribution. So how are you contributing? You know, are you are you helping other people? Are you you know, you're donating to charity? What is it? What is it you're doing? And you know, you can get a good feeling when you do that when you help someone. You feel good about doing that. So it kind of brings it brings it back to you. So you know, one of the things that we do now is we donate profits from our business, not not all the profits, some of the profits from our business, we donate to feed UK children and their families that can't afford to buy food. And one of the reasons for that is because Sarah and I had a period A while ago where we almost couldn't afford to eat. We were just making sure we could pay the mortgages and the bills, that was it. So we can do that. And then we can and then we could barely afford any food. So we were you know, really, beans and rice. That's basically what we ate almost every day beans and rice, because it was it was cheap. So because of that, that that whatever happened to us. That's why we feel quite passionately about doing that as well. So contribute there. We also help people train them and mentor them. Yeah.
Christian Rodwell 7:16
So just so our listeners get some context and on the journey. And you mentioned there, there was a time where, you know, it was really tough times. When when we talking how many years back was that?
Unknown Speaker 7:32
I really don't remember. I just remember that. I just remember going through it. Maybe 10 years ago. Right. Right.
Christian Rodwell 7:39
And where are you? Where are you generating any asset income? I mean, it sounds like you probably weren't at that point. Right. But, you know, what was the first step? How did you begin thinking about actually assets? And, you know, getting out of the corporate life, which I think you were you were working full time? Are you? Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 7:59
Yeah. So, so I was working, I was working full full time, in a corporate role. And it's sort of, you know, long hours going to get up really early, go to London, come home really late, go to bed. And then, you know, Sunday travel, so you can get to a you know, meeting early at 9am. So, it's basically a six, six day a week job. And in a really high work pressure, really high. And it it pushed me into a lot of depression. So I was, you know, I had no joy of going to work, and life lost his joy, it just seemed, you know, what was life worth it anymore. Because, you know, if I, if I traveled, which sounds glamorous to some people, but you know, it's basically go to the airport on your own, sit in the airport, on your own, go on a plane on your own, sit in a hotel room, on your own, go to a meeting, come back to the hotel room on your own. So it's kind of a life life like that, and, you know, felt quite lonely. And this is, you know, it doesn't it almost doesn't make sense, because, you know, had wife and two young children that I'm very, you know, children. And yet it got me so depressed. I remember, just like, when I walked, I would walk looking at my shoes the whole time. And at night, I would kind of like curl up into the fetal position just trying to block out world and wish it wasn't there. And it you know, it crossed my mind quite a few times about, you know, ending my life. And just because we just couldn't cope with it anymore. So that was, that was my lowest, lowest point really,
Christian Rodwell 9:36
so much. We, you know, the first first step that we really talk about with you know, anyone who wants to embark on the journey of building wealth is get clear on your why and, and sometimes it takes a catalyst which, you know, may or may not have been that moment for you, George and often that catalyst is not a nice time in someone's life, but it is the turning point where someone says Enough is enough. Was that kind of the situation you found yourself in? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 10:03
I mean, we had a long, long conversation with with my wife, Sarah, and we were in a, we're in a ball pit, and the kids were playing, we were chatting in the cafe. And she basically said, you know, your dogs killing you, you need to, you need to quit, and I had nothing to go to. We did already have some property at this point. So I'll just point that out. And, you know, it's quite scary thing, you know, quitting your, your regular income, regular paycheck. And it's not something that I advise other people to do now. But unless, unless they were in my situation, that if you just can stomach your job, if it's okay, then keep going with the job, you know, build your parachute before you jump. But that that was the turning point for me. So she managed to talk me around, show me that life was worth living again. And then we needed to make a change. And she always gave me give me permission that I could jump. Because I guess I felt, you know, I think most men do that you feel like you're the you know, you're the breadwinner, you have to earn the money. And if you don't earn the money, then how do you survive? You know, so she gave me that permission. And, you know, I jumped, quit my job. And then, you know, we asked ourselves this question, you said, if you put a gun to your head, and had to become financially free in six months, how would you do it? And that really, that really stuck with me? And then then it became a journey of research. And it's like, Okay, what, what is it gonna take? And can I do?
Christian Rodwell 11:34
Can I just ask you at this point, George, because it's really important at the beginning to get clear on exactly how much you need to be financially secure. And then how much is actually independence for you. So did you did you have those figures in mind? Did you set a target?
Unknown Speaker 11:51
We, we we didn't set a target at the time. That's something I asked people to do now. And we didn't have any idea of outgoings at the time, either. So we we, you know, we haven't we haven't looked at that situation. And that was part of Part of the reason why we weren't financially free. Because we weren't focusing on the numbers. Mm hmm.
Christian Rodwell 12:11
So what happened then?
Unknown Speaker 12:13
So, you know, we we went, went through a period of research, like looking looking at other people and saying, you know, who was actually become financially free, who can find who can we find reported this become financially free? How do they actually do it? How could you get into their mindset, you know, modeling modeling these people. And because as Tony Robbins says, success leaves clues. So if you can follow what they do, how they think, if you can even buy your way into them, you know, buy your way into the world. So if they've got training or mentoring or anything you can buy in, by the way, and as another way to get closer to that person, rather than just watching from the outside. And it highlighted a number of number of key things that we need to do. And one was definitely focusing on our personal finances. And looking at that, and and seeing in what what, what would we need to do in order to, to get that freedom. Now, when we eventually we were, I guess we were a bit slow on takeoff, we went through this period of overall expense optimization, where we reduced reduce the cost of living. So we looked through all of our expenses, reduce that, we looked for more ways to become tax efficient, so you can keep more of what you earn. And we also spent more wisely to found you it's possible to get more you know, more out of your money, if you spend differently, you know, you can buy it, you can get twice as much instead of so a simple example would be I had a wealthy, wealthy friend, and I would be getting to a unisex hair salon to get my haircut. And he would get into the barbers to get his hair cut at third of the price. And he was actually wealthier than me. And another example, we would go out and buy brand new boxes of Lego for our children, he would go and buy bags of living Lego for his children off eBay. So he would get so he was getting more for his money, we would go and buy brand new cars. So you know with cash, he would be going by and buying three year old cars, and then putting his private plates on it. So it took us ages to kind of work out. Oh, yeah, I see what he's doing. He's making his same money go further. You know, why buy one thing, you can buy three things, if you think about it differently. So we made those, we made some of those changes. And then when we finally got around to, to working out our expenses. We basically retired in like a weekend. It was it was just two days when we actually went through and went, Okay, so if we, if we cut out that bill, cut that bill swap this to that, and so on, went all the way down the list. Actually, I don't remember Sarah's she said, Why are we still working? That was that was that was the first thing she said. Yeah. Oh, it was just two days. Yeah.
Christian Rodwell 15:03
And and I know when we've spoken recently, George, that, you know, that's not the Oh, you're not the only people who've had that lightbulb moment. I know you had you had one of your, your clients as well. And that similar story there, right?
Unknown Speaker 15:16
Yeah. So she, she had three properties and three properties she took to one of my courses, and exactly the same thing. But at the end of the two days, she went, wait a minute, these numbers can't be right. And then she, she showed them to one of her friends, she just check these numbers, check them check them. They're right. You don't need to work anymore. So it is it is amazing. When you when you focus on the numbers, you know, it's because there was no, there was no focus on that goal. To get there before. Yes. So it rather than wishing it, because previously, it was just oh, maybe I'll retire at 60 instead of 65. You know. So with that, with that focus, we made it
Christian Rodwell 15:56
Yeah. And when you talk about, you know, kind of reviewing your finances cutting back, I mean, you weren't living, you know, a kind of frugal lifestyle, you still had a nice car, you know, and you know, so so it's just managing your finances being clear and, and aware of what's coming in and what's going out. That's the killer. Exactly,
Unknown Speaker 16:15
exactly. Yeah, because we were living in a house that was worth 685,000, we had a 42,000 pound Land Rover, sitting on a drive brand new. So you know, reaching out a couple of times a week, or going holidays, so but it but by by just really optimizing our expenses and getting better at becoming more tax efficient, it makes such a big difference. So you basically kind of doubling your money near enough.
Christian Rodwell 16:41
Yeah. So and how are you now continuing to to kind of build wealth for you. Continuing with property, are you diversifying across other pillars as well?
Unknown Speaker 16:52
Yes, so we still have our property portfolio. And you know, I'm from the west, folks, I'm an accumulator. So I like to hold on to these things. So we have byte alerts, rent buys commercial property, we also lend on developments as well. So that's, you know, another another stream. And then we have some training. And we try to keep this as, as passive as we can. So occasionally, we might do something live. But most of our most of our courses are online. Because, you know, one of our thing is time freedom, you know that the rich are one of the few people that realize that time is actually the most valuable asset, because it's something you can't get back. So for us, we we enjoy the free time to learn to grow and contribute and so on.
Christian Rodwell 17:42
Yeah, yeah. And you mentioned, obviously, you have children. So how important is it that you know, you're educating your children, I know, they're probably still young at the moment. But the the legacy aspect is one that's really important for our members, as well as not just building up the money that can be passed on. But the knowledge, the wisdom, the lessons as well.
Unknown Speaker 18:02
I didn't give them a copy of my book, but they managed to trash it and a couple of days. I also gave them an audiobook copy, but they prefer Harry Potter at the moment. It is something I mean, my son is quite interested in cars and buildings, he's always drawing like floorplan layouts. So yesterday, he drew efficient chip shop to do the front of the fish and chip shop into like a little logo on it. And then inside, he drew the floor plan with all the route symbols for opening a door doors opening and windows and the counters and cocoa and so on. So he does have his other things he's interested in cars, we might end up wasting all this money on cars. So hedging our bets on that. Something you know, I'd love my children to get into it. Because of seeing what it can do for us. And you know, for their legacy, you know, they will come into our SAS when they're old enough. Seven SAS we've got we've worked builders. So yeah,
Christian Rodwell 19:02
yeah. And for people listening now, I'm sure they will be inspired by your story. And for many people, they'll be you know, right at the start of their wealth building journey, perhaps just generating some of their first recurring income from assets or maybe not even yet at that stage. What would be kind of, you know, two or three top tips that you could give to those people? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 19:27
I mean, I think the first thing is to be you know, be very clear on on your values, and what you like and don't like, and what you want to achieve. Because, you know, a lot of a lot of new investors, they, they see all the shiny pennies everywhere. It's like, Oh, this looks exciting, or, you know, commercial, exciting, but less exciting, rent to buy looks exciting. So it's combination, it's exciting. And then you just get distracted, and then nobody does anything. So I think that's the first thing be really clear on what you what you what you what your values are, what your what strategies, you're drawn to Your overall objectives, and then really focus on it and make it make it a top goal. Because that's the only way we became financially free in the end focusing on achieving that.
Christian Rodwell 20:11
Yeah. And I know you've you've kind of put the blueprint into a book, you've got two minutes, George. So why don't you just tell our listeners about those two books in case they'd like to check those out to retire now,
Unknown Speaker 20:23
we just got a nice testimonial from Kevin Whelan in there. So this is basically our, our, our property journey. So part of this is, is just the journey that we took, you know, all the houses we've bought. So you can see step by step and you know, the mistakes we made. So it's kind of a warts and all book. And then and then kind of the second half of it is all about reducing your expenses, improving your credit score, the different types of assets that you can invest in, and some of the property strategies in there. So that's, that's basically what that is. And I've always had loads of good feedback about this.
Christian Rodwell 21:00
Yeah. And, and then you've got another book as well.
Unknown Speaker 21:03
I have stealth millionaire, how to save how to save money and managing money like the rich. So I wrote this during COVID. Because, you know, I know, I know, a lot of people have, you know, having financial difficulty. And I thought, Okay, I know what we do, in terms of managing our finances, but what are other people doing? So includes other billionaires? And I said, Okay, you know, let's, let's try, and let's try and work out what are the common habits that we all have? And the things that are simple that anyone can do? And after doing that, well, when I speak to them, nobody thought there would be anything that could be shared and would be useful. So everyone thought exactly the same thing. You know, we're unique, it's, there's going to be nothing and turned out, we're all the same.
Christian Rodwell 21:49
Yeah, no, fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your story today being very candid. And I really hope that our listeners will take some inspiration from that and believe that that achievement that milestone financial independence is is there for all of us if you get focused, and some of the lessons that you shared today. So, George, thanks for being a great guest. If someone wants to connect with you online, where's the one place that they should head to?
Unknown Speaker 22:18
If you go to my castle, property.co.uk. That's our website. And from there, you can get to our podcasts or books and courses. Everything.
Christian Rodwell 22:26
Sounds great, George, thanks very much.
Unknown Speaker 22:29
Thanks very much.
Christian Rodwell 22:31
A lots of points for us to pick up on there, Kevin. But before we do that, why don't we hear from one of our latest reviewers and this week, chosen Richard has left us a review on Google. And Richard says, if you're interested in escaping the rat race and creating a bulletproof wealth strategy, then look no further than wealth builders. Kevin and Christian together make a formidable team. Wealth builders delivers massive upfront value and truly want you to succeed in your wealth creation journey. The simple step by step approach and accountability system helps keep you on track. They provide education, connections and guidance within a supportive community of like minded individuals. And I would highly recommend them as they are an organization underpinned by Kevin's complete integrity.
Unknown Speaker 23:18
Do you know how can you not say wow, to that, you know, it's another? Really I feel blessed? You know, I know Richard very well. You know, successful optician Isn't he, and like many professions, and like George, you know, the difficulty is when you're successful in your job, as he said, I think is the head of there was escape the rat race. And I think that's probably what often people refer to it as isn't equipment, they get caught up in a tyranny of the routine of what they do every day to make the money in their jobs or in their businesses. And I think if we, if we, you know, darling, back to George, you know, we talked to the earlier on about the fact he was, you know, a long, long standing higher earner. And for that reason, it was a tough gig for him to make the change. And you could probably hear that in the challenges that he and his wife had to face. And I really have a lot of time for George is a very nice guy. He's a good teacher, actually, like all good teachers, you know, he, if you read his books, and I would encourage you to do that he is a fan of an acronym, Chris, he likes that. I'd like me with debits and first and all those things. So So, you know, I kind of got to pick a bit of alliteration. Further summary for George, I'd say, you know, he was candid. In a bed, he sold a bit there, didn't he really, he clear about his capitalist? He had a crisis, you know, a low point, let's say, but then came out committed. So, you know, I'll just say that Georgia is a great example of how to not necessarily You don't need to reach a low point, but you need a catalyst. Right? Everybody needs a catalyst, something that stimulates them to overcome inertia that holds people to where they are. And, you know, I'm so glad that George had the humility to open up the story to other people. So they could see that he was a vulnerable guy and reached a low point. So, you know, congratulations to George for being so sharing. Yeah,
Christian Rodwell 25:26
yeah. And it was at that, that turning point really where his wife, Sarah asked him, What would it take to become financially independent. And that really, you know, was the shining light that they then focused on. And George described it as a process of expense optimization, which was, you know, really looking at how to spend their money more wisely, but also keep more of what they were making.
Unknown Speaker 25:51
I mean, look, I think there's value in reducing the expenses, but, and I think that's integral to his program, and to ours with with the debits. But I think it's a good place to start. That's why we have it in the foundational element of our program, Chris, but you can't save your way to wealth, right. And I think George would admit that to you could tell, because he's gone on to create assets. But saving your way, just get you to a point where you can actually, maybe for the first time, realize, if you can get your expenses to a level where genuinely, you know, that's what you need, then you're in a position where actually financial independence, at least security anyway, doesn't look that far away. You know, for many people, if they sat down and looked at that, and said, Well, hey, you know, my expenses are x, you know, whatever, 1000 a month, then it might not be that difficult to get to a place where at least you didn't have to work. You might not have everything you wanted. But that's the level of financial security. So I think definitely George focused on that together with his wife, Sarah. And they use that as a springboard to then go on and build assets, didn't they?
Christian Rodwell 27:06
Yeah, and in across multiple pillars, as is often the way when, when people hit security, and I know I've heard you say recently to our members, Kevin about just focus on one wheel turn, you know, get really good at one asset, one strategy, and, you know, have your eye on other things, but get yourself to security as quickly as possible. And then when you get to security, you can diversify across other pillars from there.
Unknown Speaker 27:32
Yes. And the reason for that is just for clarification here is the biggest form of leverage of all, if we've talked this morning about the rat race and the tyranny of routine as I refer to it, it's the time that you spend trading time for money, that sucks your energy. You know, just think about the city guys and girls who used to spend hours and hours and hours commuting long distances, in some cases. Now, they're not doing that so much so that they should have time. So it's the time that gives permission. For all the other forms of leverage to take place. It's the time freedom, a little chink of timeline that allows you to soak up the education that allows you to be willing to do something, when ordinarily You were so drained of time. The last thing you wanted to do, after getting home from a long day long commute, you know, was to settle down to look at your debits you just wanted to settle down with a glass of something, just to you know, unwind spring room.
Christian Rodwell 28:38
So now, obviously, George and Sarah have achieved their independence. Kevin, they're now looking at, you know, more meaningful impacts that they can have on others. And George talked about, you know, feeding others as well there.
Unknown Speaker 28:51
Yeah. Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with actually giving on the journey. A lot of people do it that way, don't they? It's almost sometimes we see people willing, as they begin to start their wealth journey, that part of that is giving. You know, the whole concept of building your wealth in jars, you know, creating bank accounts in jars, where some of that is giving for some reason, and that's, that's fine. And we always applaud people for whatever decisions they make to help. But the lesson that I would pull out of that, just so people were unclear, where George's independence came from, you know, they they've done property, right, so we know that's pillar number four, they've created a SAS pillar number two. He's written books, and they've got courses, which is IP now, which is pillar number six. And he's collaborated and they've collaborated with other people, which is pillar number seven. So if you think about what they've done, they have focused on usually one thing and then diversify into others as the time frame. Aim kicks in and allows you and, and that's actually when the time freedom does kick in. And financial independence, that's when most people become more philanthropic, because they've got the time to consider that. And I think we've heard a consistent theme from a lot of our guests, that at some point, giving back to society in whatever way that would be is an important part of their reason why? And, and that's a good thing. So you know, reconnect with your own thoughts. So what would you do? If you were completely financially independent, you had more money coming in? Then you know, you needed to spend every month? What is your higher purpose? Do you What else do you want to do? That gives back to society or the world in some way, and just see if that resonates with you and see what comes out of your mind when you think about that, because for people who work in a program close, we know that they will make it on the journey provided, they keep turning wheels, they keep doing what we asked them to do. It's a three to seven year journey. So typically five. And I would encourage anybody to put up with some of the pain of self analysis, some of the pain of having to go through possibly a low point, some of the pain of interrupting your current pattern of how you do things. Because if you can do it in five years, and some people do less like George, but if you can do it in five years, then you'll free financially, intellectually, in all other ways for the rest of your life. And I think that's a laudable thing to do. So have a think about that you guys out there and see whether or not you're willing to commit in 2021. To make in this year, the year, you start your journey to financial independence. And for those who are regular listeners already on the journey, I commend you for taking the journey. Stick with it. We're still in troubled times. But we're here to help and support and hopefully inspire you to keep going and look forward to helping many more people in the coming weeks and months ahead, Chris.
Christian Rodwell 32:01
Yeah. And one of those places if you're not already in there is our wealth builders Facebook community. So you can join for free just head to Facebook and search for wealth builders. And there's lots of comments in there. And Kevin and myself. We're both in there answering questions when when we can as well. So yeah, it's been another good episode. Really interesting listening to George's story, then I think we'll be inviting more people throughout this year to share their stories as well. Kevin, just so you know, for our listeners, they know that it's achievable. If you stay focused, you have a clear plan, and you've got the right support. You can make it
Unknown Speaker 32:37
Welford Chris almost like a man who knows what he's doing.
Christian Rodwell 32:43
Well, I've enjoyed that, Kevin, and thank you for listening to us again today. We'll see you Same time, same place next week.
Unknown Speaker 32:49
Until then, my friend so yeah.
Unknown Speaker 32:54
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